Ardennes - Belgium

The Ardennes (pronounced /ɑrˈdɛnz/; Dutch: Ardennen) is a region of extensive forests and rolling hill country, primarily in Belgium and Luxembourg, but stretching into France (lending its name to the Ardennes département and the Champagne-Ardenne région). In the French-speaking part of Belgium, the word 'Ardenne' in the singular is commonly used. In France, the word 'Ardennes' in the plural, together with the definite article, is commonly used to refer to the French Department of that name.// GeographyMuch of the Ardennes is covered in dense forests, with hills averaging around 350-500

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andrewdladd :

What were the specific plans for Hitler's Ardennes offensive and the battle of the bulge?

AniMeyhem! :
"The plan was for the armored divisions, backed up by motorized infantry, to smash through the allied lines and disrupt their critical lines of supply, causing their advance to falter. The plan tanked due to a break in the weather, which allowed allied air power to smash the Nazi armored divisions."
sofgrant :
"The Battle of the Bulge (aka the Ardennes offensive) had several objectives. The three over-arching ones were to retake Antwerp (a critical port), stop the Allied advance thus protecting Germany proper, and to split the Allies along nationalistic lines (Hitler believed that by attacking along Allied national lines he could break their cooperative effort and force them to fend for themselves.) Wikipedia has a fairly detailed explanation of these specific goals and the operations designed to achieve them. I copied the link below - I hope that helps."
roadwarrior :
"Even before the Ardennes offensive was planned, the German military situation was already very bleak. Certain German defeat is looming around the corner and is just a matter of months away. The Russians had successfully thrown back the Germans out of Russia, pushed them back from Poland, and were now massing on Germany's eastern borders, preparing for a massive final offensive to Berlin. The Anglo-American forces had already liberated France from German occupation, knocked Italy out of the war, and are now on the way to bring the war on German soil. Hitler's plan to launch a counter-attack at Ardennes is more of a political move, and such counter-attack was entirely opposed by his generals. The German generals knew that the counter-attack would not achieve any military strategic gain for Germany (winning it would not alter Germany's war fortune at all). Furthermore, such a plan will need a huge troop and war materiel resource allocation, something that can only be made available by scraping them from other existing German divisions (which desperately needed more troops and armor to defend against an impending Russian offensive in Germany's eastern borders). What Hitler had in mind at this time is to achieve a victory in a small battle that will boost the morale of German troops and the nation as a whole. Hitler thought that it was easier to achieve this against the Anglo-Americans rather than the Russians. Hitler was in the hope that by inflicting severe and heavy casualties on the Anglo-American forces in a single decisive battle, "Churchill and Roosevelt will come to their senses and sue for an armistice" as Hitler said it, that will bring favorable terms for Germany in the negotiating table. Once armistice with the west is achieved, Germany can then concentrate on defeating the Russians. Hitler also contemplated that the Anglo-Americans can later join hands with the Germans in fighting the Russians. Staging a counter-attack at Ardennes was planned by Hitler based on the above- mentioned premises. Furthermore, the concentration of Anglo-American forces is very light in the Ardennes, which made Hitler choose it as the ideal location for a sucessful German counter-attack. The German counter-attack was initially successful and the division of American troops in Ardennes were surrounded by German fire. But days later, Patton came to the rescue and engaged the Germans, thus saving the surrounded Americans from annihilation. The German counter-attack then became bogged-down. When Hitler realized that the counter-attack is taking a long time without guarantee of success, he ordered the German troops to withdraw and abandoned it altogether."
Xamanator :

I have heard that in the Ardennes Offensive of late 1944, the Germans sent men who could speak good English across the lines in American uniforms to spread doubt and confusion. The story continues that these men were unmasked by being asked questions like "Who is Betty Grable dating?" and "How many home runs did Babe Ruth make in the last season?" Is this true? There were (and are) many Americans who couldn't (and can't) answer such questions. I also know the man who were caught out were immediately shot - the Geneva Convention allows this for men wearing the other side's uniforms.

tf_zealot :
"Yes its true, Most americans should have known the question. You are not protected if you dont wear the uniform of ur military. They counted as spies."
Grumpy Kansan :
""Operation Greif Otto Skorzeny, after Operation Greif he was called "the most dangerous man in Europe"Main article: Operation Greif Skorzeny successfully infiltrated a small part of his battalion of disguised, English-speaking Germans behind the Allied lines. Although they failed to take the vital bridges over the Meuse, the battalion's presence produced confusion out of all proportion to their military activities, and rumours spread like wildfire. Even General Patton was alarmed and, on December 17, described the situation to General Eisenhower as "Krauts... speaking perfect English... raising hell, cutting wires, turning road signs around, spooking whole divisions, and shoving a bulge into our defenses". Checkpoints were soon set up all over the Allied rear, greatly slowing the movement of soldiers and equipment. Military policemen drilled servicemen on things which every American was expected to know, such as the identity of Mickey Mouse's girlfriend, baseball scores, or the capital of Illinois. This latter question resulted in the brief detention of General Omar Bradley himself; although he gave the correct answer—Springfield—the GI who questioned him apparently believed that the capital was Chicago. The tightened security nonetheless made things harder for the German infiltrators, and some of them were captured. Even during interrogation they continued their goal of spreading disinformation; when asked about their mission, some of them claimed they had been told to go to Paris to either kill or capture General Eisenhower. Security around the general was greatly increased, and he was confined to his headquarters. Because these prisoners had been captured in American uniform they were later executed by firing squad; this was the standard practice of every army at the time, although it was left ambivalent under the Geneva Convention, which merely stated that soldiers had to wear uniforms that distinguished them as combatants. In addition, Skorzeny was an expert at international law and knew that such an operation would be well within its boundaries as long as they were wearing their German uniforms when firing. Skorzeny and his men were fully aware of their likely fate, and most wore their German uniforms underneath their Allied ones in case of capture. Skorzeny himself avoided capture, survived the war and may have been involved with the Nazi ODESSA ratline or escape network." Here's a much more detailed document on this event available from the Defense Technical Information Center in Leavenworth, Kansas:?&verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA284495 (Click on the link that says Handle / proxy Url :) My best to you Bill"
Dark Angel 23 :
"It was also common practice during that offensive when two allied soldiers met one would say: "Walt Disney" the other would respond: "Mickey Mouse" and the first had to reply: "Donald Duck" or "Goofy"."
roostermanforever :
"you americans are really something else,do you live in some sort of fantasy there,america this america that ,wake up ands get real ,like the so called true war films just pure fantasy,"
ryan s :
"yes it is true that the germans did this they killed the sentrys that were garding the roads and tried to act like our troops any service man would know these qeustions garbal was the number 1 pin up girl so they knew every thing about her lol as for babe who didn't know how many home runs he hit the year before at that time so no american would have gotten that wrong"
Kevin F :
"American suspicions were aroused when some infiltrators on a jeep asked a passing patrol where to get petrol instead of the usual American term of "gas""
macarthur1977 :

The reason for France's quick surrender in World War II was because the German Panzer tank division was able to move through the thick Ardennes forest, to everyone's surprise, then move west and trap the French and English Armies at Dunkirk, who were fighting the German forces moving south through Beligium. Which French leader decided that the Ardennes forest was too dense for tanks to get across it?

bloggerdude2005 :
"French Supreme COmmander Maurice Gamelin"
Michael A :
"The french felt that the same thing that happened in WWI would happen again. Basically that the Germans would not be able to keep up their push through France. It could also be that Frances military at the time was not nearly equal to that of Germany's."
rosy :
"well i can't be any useful..but if u wanna know any thing about Greek or Rome,,or any object related ask me I'm so experienced..by the way I've sent u massage..i hope u Had it"
brainstorm :
"I think you will find that the Ardennes are in Belgium and the Belgians were supposed to be protecting their own borders."
Snowy :
"The French protected their border as best as they could with the Maginot line of fortifications, but it stopped at the Belgian border. France and Britain also spent the years between the wars disarming as there was a peace movement in those days which makes the current lot look like a school band. Therefore when those cunning old Germans simply went around the Maginot line by busting through Belgium there was no "plan B" or modern tank army to stop them. It is true that the Ardennes were thought to be unsuitable for tanks, but that just shows that the allies were not prepared for war in any sense due to the peace and appeasment movement."

 

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bigdad
Date: 2008-02-04 21:23:14

Guides and advice about the diffrent regions in FRance to buy property including the French regions of Champagne-Ardenne,Paris ,Corsica, Berry French Riviera,Tarn and Aveyron, Gironde, Gascony, Perpignan , Loire Valley, Limousin,


dhruv37
Date: 2008-02-04 21:23:14

Lots of interesting information; useful for planning a vacation to Alsace, Burgundy, Champagne Ardenne regions of France. Interactive maps, information on wine tours and vineyards.


bmhrules
Date: 2008-02-04 21:23:14

Fireglow Games Publishing reports on the development of an add-on for Sudden Strike 3: Arms for Victory. The main focus of this add-on is Ardennes Offensive. Two campaigns playable for Germans and Allies will be included, plus a campaign playable for the German and Soviet sides. Multiplayer maps and new features will also be included.


coolguy17111987
Date: 2008-02-04 21:23:14

C'est grâce à l'ardoise que mon arrière Grand-père rencontra mon arrière Grand-mère, à Fumay dans les Ardennes. C'était à l'aube de l'année 1911. Alors c'est tout naturellement, que je me suis intéressé à cette région, à ses habitants et à leurs traditions, où l'ardoise est reine....




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