Alsace Lorraine - France

See alsoFormer countries in Europe after 1815IrredentismCultural AssimilationCensorshipLanguage policy in FranceFramework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities Further reading Publications in EnglishLinda Herrick & Wendy Uncapher, Alsace-Lorraine Atlantic Bridge to Germany, Origins, Janesville, WI, 2003. Notes^ However on the Colmar prefecture building, the name of Belfort can be seen as a sous-prefecture.^ http://www.geocities.com/bfel/geschichte6.html^ http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/Commun/ChercheSig.asp?NT=157&CM=&DF=&CL=ENG

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gerel :

I was told that my relative was from Zurich Switzerland,then i was told that they were from Alsace Lorraine.Is there any Connection between Switzerland and Alsace Lorraine?Was it the same at one time?

skichamonix515 :
"Nope, never the same. Alsace/Lorraine are the two disputed regions of France which have been tossed back and forth between France and Germany, but never Switzerland. That being said, Zurich still isn't that far from Alsace."
christopher b :
"No connection."
xxmachina :
"Alsace Lorraine is the bone constantly fought over by Germany and France, since it lies between their two countries. The connection, well geographicaly, Switzerland touches both countries, and uses both languages. Most likely, your relatives fled or were evicted from Alsace-Lorraine during a border dispute (a.k.a. a war) and ended up in Zurich because it was neutral and they could speak at least one of the languages. It'd be culturally close to region they were from."
swissnick :
"The last political connection definitely was before the year 1501... But as it's a fairly small geographical area (100 miles), there has always been a certain amount of immigration and marriages across the borders. With appropriate information, it should be possible to track the ancestors back many hundred years (specially with church books). Perhaps someone did the job already...?"
coolbluesurface :

Anyone know of any movies featuring the landscape, people, or culture of Alsace-Lorraine in France? I discovered that my ancestors came to the U.S. from there and I would like to see it on film. I love foreign movies, so I thought this would be a fun way to experience the region instead of reading a history book. I'm more interested in cinema films than travel videos, but if there are some travel DVDs that focus on Alsace-Lorraine I would check them out also. BTW, I already found the Wiki description and, yes, I know it's now called Alsace-Moselle. :) Thanks, merci, and danke!

cb0257 :
"There are not many movies set there...(too bad it is a wonderful area). The best is a made for TV Movie called in French "les Alsaciens ou les deux Mathilde". I do not know if it is subtitled in English though. It explains a lot of the history of the area and the problems common people had by switching back and forth between 2 citizenships. I come from there and my grandpa born in1909 was born German then became French on 1918, then re-became German in 1940 and then died with a French citizenship. Mindbogling, isn't it? If I think of others I will let you know."
miss_jojo :
"On IMDB you can also search for filming locations. Here's the link for Strasbourg, France for example:&&locations=Strasbourg,%20Bas-Rhin,%20France&&heading=18;with+locations+including;Strasbourg,%20Bas-Rhin,%20France Try their Power Search, and entering 'Alsace' in the field 'Location': Apparently 'Jules et Jim', which is wonderful, was partly filmed in Alsace, although I have no idea which scenes exactly."
venus8926 :
"My family is from Alsace-Lorraine. I actually have quite a few family members still there. You should email me sometime so we can talk. "
Senator J :

I know the names of my great-grandparents, when they came to the U.S.A., even the ship (for the kids and great-grandma, great-grandpa must have came before them, or more unlikely after them) but I don't know where they came from and no one in the family does, just that they said Alsace-Lorraine, France. Is the last name Hartman unique to any areas? They came from Alsace-Lorraine when it WAS Alsace-Lorraine, during the German Empire rule. Also, I would never call their name German because apparently they caused hell for my family, they all had french first names and spoke french, hardly german. They came to the usa in 1888. What on earth is LDS? Also, to the person about "Republican France", my great-grandparents were born in the mid 1850s, during the rule of Emperor Napoleon III, so idk if thats true of Alsaciens and Lorrains.

pepper :
"I have a friend from Alsace-Lorraine."
GenevievesMom :
"Welcome to the most difficult part of Europe to research. For starters, "Alsace-Lorraine" is not one place and doesn't have a single source of records. It's like referring to part of the Midwest as "Wisconsin-Illinois". Alsace was the more German province and Lorraine was along for the ride during WWI. The problem you face is that they don't have a single archives for records, every province has separate "departements" like Vosges and Meuse or Meurthe-et-Moiselle. They are like counties in the US and they keep their own records in their own archives. Hartman is not a very unique name. But it's also not very French. Believing it's possible that it came from either province is realistic, but it's probably more likely from Alsace. What you need to do is go to the LDS and request the microfiche (different than the films) of the passport/visa requests from each departement in each of the two provinces. It's the only cohesive recordkeeping that's easily available in the US. From there, it depends on the year of emigration. Post-1850 is much easier to trace than 1789-1830. Also check the port of departure. If it was Amsterdam or Rotterdam, the records are in good order and kept by those magnificent genealogists in the Netherlands. They're the best at sharing information on the internet. From the 1790s to present you'll also want the Civil registers to track births, marriages and deaths. (Beware of the French Revolutionary calendar). Pre-1792 you'll also want to search Catholic parish records for births, marriages and deaths. There is no great website to search for French records, but is pretty decent."
Shirley T :
"Additional information below: I don't know if you are aware, but the people of Alsace-Lorraine are mostly German. Germany was not a united country until the end of the 19th century. Alsace-Lorraine was 2 of the small German states. It was annexed by France in the 1700s to the displeasure of the people of Alsace Lorraine. Then France overthrew its monarch and established a republic. In 1870 Prussia took Alsace-Lorraine from France and the people of Alsace Lorraine realized they rather be part of Republican France than the Prussian Hohenzolleerns. German was united and the Hohenzollerns were over Imperial Germany. In WW 1 when the allies reached Alsace-Lorraine they were greeted as liberators by a German speaking population. At first the Allies were suspicious, until it was explained to them by French officials that the Alsatians and Lorrainers had supported the Allies. It was returned to France by the Treaty of Versailles. Then Hitler took it back and naturally knowing the population was German but French loyalist, they were very cruel to the population there. After WW 2 it was returned to France. LDS center is a family history center with a Mormon Church. They have records on people all over the world and are very helpful. Actually, the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake has the largest collection of genealogical records in the world. If you have a Mormon Church near you, call them to find out if they have a Family History Center. They have never sent their missionaries by to ring my doorbell because I awailed myself of their services."

 

Comments on Alsace Lorraine

dalgic
Date: 2008-02-03 13:26:12

Alsace-Lorraine is tagged as the embattled territory. The territory has been fought over by both Germany and France for centuries now. As a result, the people of Alsace-Lorraine have changed their citizenship four times since the territory was established.




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